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	<title>Comments on: Feathers Fly in For The Birds Controversy</title>
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		<title>By: Robin McDonald</title>
		<link>http://lineboil.com/2010/01/feathers-fly-in-for-the-birds-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if she was upset it was in the past. Its been five years since we discussed it briefly. She&#039;s had a successful and active career most recently doing the Christmas special Prep and Landing for Disney/ABC.
I can&#039;t speak for her. Just my myself.

I&#039;m glad the film has had three thousand five hundred views and its got five stars. No controversy its enjoyable. These student films go unseen. We need friends of Chris Moeller to urge him to put The Bunny Must Die on the Dark Bunny website or YouTube before all the oxide on his old video tape falls off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if she was upset it was in the past. Its been five years since we discussed it briefly. She&#8217;s had a successful and active career most recently doing the Christmas special Prep and Landing for Disney/ABC.<br />
I can&#8217;t speak for her. Just my myself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the film has had three thousand five hundred views and its got five stars. No controversy its enjoyable. These student films go unseen. We need friends of Chris Moeller to urge him to put The Bunny Must Die on the Dark Bunny website or YouTube before all the oxide on his old video tape falls off.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Barnwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Barnwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought... If she has a history working for Disney Films couldn&#039;t she have ever co-signed &quot;For the Birds&quot;. meaning that she could have given consent, or the idea to re-create her film in 3-D. Is Stevie upset with the two&#039;s likeness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought&#8230; If she has a history working for Disney Films couldn&#8217;t she have ever co-signed &#8220;For the Birds&#8221;. meaning that she could have given consent, or the idea to re-create her film in 3-D. Is Stevie upset with the two&#8217;s likeness?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have attribution for that quote, nor is this the Wall Street Journal.  I re-posted the quote from RottenTomatoes.com, and linked to it above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have attribution for that quote, nor is this the Wall Street Journal.  I re-posted the quote from RottenTomatoes.com, and linked to it above.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to address JKS that it was me pissing about it and not Stevie. I finally aquired a copy of my student films for 93 and have told this story a couple of times on Rotten Tomatoes but didn&#039;t have the necessary imagery to back it up for my audience.  

I agree the story is sufficiently altered where even if Stevie hadn&#039;t built a great career with Disney that she might not win a lawsuit. In my poll 2/3rds gave Pixar a passing grade  But just in my opinion knowing Pixar was at the producers show in 93 I was pretty shocked not to see Stevies name in the credits for this film when I saw Monster&#039;s Inc. It was four years before I could ask her about it. And another five years before I posted the comparison and poll in the Rotten Tomatoes forum.  

My main point here is its not right to lay the blame at Stevie&#039;s feet.  I find the comparison inescapable because of the staging and players. How the birds hop and the big bird swings about like a sack of sand. And how he is a big gawky bird trying to &#039;fit in&#039; with the little birds.  I have seen Ralph Eggleston&#039;s sketch and would be interested to see his original storyboards which date back to 85. But his ink sketch only resembles the one part of the film which I think was hugely changed from Small Fry.

Someone suggested I was pointing the finger at Eggleston which I was not. If I was pointing it anywhere it was at whomever attended the Producer&#039;s show.  I also need to mention that I have been writing in Rottentomatoes for seven years and have logged 30,000 posts. I have never had anything I have written become an article outside the forum before. And I tried to limit viewing to forum members but the private feature in You Tube was unworkable for members. No one could see it so I had to open it up. 

Stevie is obviously more than talented enough and was back then to do all her work herself. And as students we all got a huge amount of animation help from Larry White. No one was shortchanged by Larry. He was the most dedicated, sacrificing and effective teachers at Cal Arts that year by far. Credit also needs to go to Ken Bruce and Alex Topete who wasn&#039;t even on staff but was a huge friend to all the students. There wasnt grousing about their relationship til Stevie won the producer&#039;s show. I hate to see that tempest in a teapot stirred up.
My fault again.

Stevie&#039;s second film Nessie shows she was not only a talented animator but great with story. And she was hired at Disney for story rather than as an animator as I understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to address JKS that it was me pissing about it and not Stevie. I finally aquired a copy of my student films for 93 and have told this story a couple of times on Rotten Tomatoes but didn&#8217;t have the necessary imagery to back it up for my audience.  </p>
<p>I agree the story is sufficiently altered where even if Stevie hadn&#8217;t built a great career with Disney that she might not win a lawsuit. In my poll 2/3rds gave Pixar a passing grade  But just in my opinion knowing Pixar was at the producers show in 93 I was pretty shocked not to see Stevies name in the credits for this film when I saw Monster&#8217;s Inc. It was four years before I could ask her about it. And another five years before I posted the comparison and poll in the Rotten Tomatoes forum.  </p>
<p>My main point here is its not right to lay the blame at Stevie&#8217;s feet.  I find the comparison inescapable because of the staging and players. How the birds hop and the big bird swings about like a sack of sand. And how he is a big gawky bird trying to &#8216;fit in&#8217; with the little birds.  I have seen Ralph Eggleston&#8217;s sketch and would be interested to see his original storyboards which date back to 85. But his ink sketch only resembles the one part of the film which I think was hugely changed from Small Fry.</p>
<p>Someone suggested I was pointing the finger at Eggleston which I was not. If I was pointing it anywhere it was at whomever attended the Producer&#8217;s show.  I also need to mention that I have been writing in Rottentomatoes for seven years and have logged 30,000 posts. I have never had anything I have written become an article outside the forum before. And I tried to limit viewing to forum members but the private feature in You Tube was unworkable for members. No one could see it so I had to open it up. </p>
<p>Stevie is obviously more than talented enough and was back then to do all her work herself. And as students we all got a huge amount of animation help from Larry White. No one was shortchanged by Larry. He was the most dedicated, sacrificing and effective teachers at Cal Arts that year by far. Credit also needs to go to Ken Bruce and Alex Topete who wasn&#8217;t even on staff but was a huge friend to all the students. There wasnt grousing about their relationship til Stevie won the producer&#8217;s show. I hate to see that tempest in a teapot stirred up.<br />
My fault again.</p>
<p>Stevie&#8217;s second film Nessie shows she was not only a talented animator but great with story. And she was hired at Disney for story rather than as an animator as I understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: ranhib</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranhib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That quote attributed to Wermers-Skelton is rather incendiary given that it is easily disproved. Do you have a reference or attribution for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That quote attributed to Wermers-Skelton is rather incendiary given that it is easily disproved. Do you have a reference or attribution for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, david. I&#039;m aware of her impressive credits, but I chose the one that&#039;s most recpognizable to my audience, which is a broader crowd, that may not be familiar with the works you cite. I appreciate the writing tips and your interest in the site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, david. I&#8217;m aware of her impressive credits, but I chose the one that&#8217;s most recpognizable to my audience, which is a broader crowd, that may not be familiar with the works you cite. I appreciate the writing tips and your interest in the site!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Stevie Wermers (now Stevie Wermers-Skelton), who recently worked as a visual development artist on The Princess and the Frog.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, that&#039;s absolutely true that Stevie did some work on &quot;The Princess &amp; the Frog&quot; ,  but you&#039;re leaving out several significant items on her recent resume: she co-directed (with creative partner Kevin Deters) two short animated films for Disney , &quot;How to Hook Up your Home Theater&quot; and  &quot;The Ballad of Nessie&quot; , as well as co-directing the half-hour animated Christmas special &quot;Prep &amp; Landing&quot; which aired this past Christmas on ABC-TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Stevie Wermers (now Stevie Wermers-Skelton), who recently worked as a visual development artist on The Princess and the Frog.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s absolutely true that Stevie did some work on &#8220;The Princess &amp; the Frog&#8221; ,  but you&#8217;re leaving out several significant items on her recent resume: she co-directed (with creative partner Kevin Deters) two short animated films for Disney , &#8220;How to Hook Up your Home Theater&#8221; and  &#8220;The Ballad of Nessie&#8221; , as well as co-directing the half-hour animated Christmas special &#8220;Prep &amp; Landing&#8221; which aired this past Christmas on ABC-TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think she has a case- it&#039;s a cute film, but doesn&#039;t seem like a direct rip-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think she has a case- it&#8217;s a cute film, but doesn&#8217;t seem like a direct rip-off.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amid over at Cartoon Brew seems to have put the issue to bed.  He posted one of Eggleston&#039;s drawings of the concept from 1985.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/shorts/for-the-birds-controversy.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amid over at Cartoon Brew seems to have put the issue to bed.  He posted one of Eggleston&#8217;s drawings of the concept from 1985.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cartoonbrew.com/shorts/for-the-birds-controversy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cartoonbrew.com/shorts/for-the-birds-controversy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no question of the many similarities here. i think the idea was definitely borrowed. Shame it wasn&#039;t brought up 10 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no question of the many similarities here. i think the idea was definitely borrowed. Shame it wasn&#8217;t brought up 10 years ago.</p>
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